Not Another True Crime Podcast

Everybody's favorite podcast hosts are back to talk about another murder: Greggory Smart. In May 1990, he was found dead, and later it came out that his wife, Pamela, conspired with her 15-year-old lover (gross) Billy and his friends to murder her husband. Pre-O.J., pre-Menendez brothers, Pamela Smart's trial was the first trial to be televised gavel to gavel. In other words, it was a big f*cking deal. The only twist? To this day, Pam insists she had nothing to do with the murder plot. We'll go through all the details and discuss if we believe Pamela Smart or think she's full of shit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

NATCP finally covers one of the most demanded mysteries: the death of Elisa Lam. The 21-year-old disappeared while staying at the infamously sketchy Hotel Cecil, and was later found dead in the hotel's water tank. But did she end up there willingly, or was there foul play? That's what Sara, Danny, and Casey attempt to figure out this week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We covered these cases, and  now it's time for updates! Casey, Danny & Sara discuss Natalia the Ukranian orphan's interview with Dr. Phil, the casting for Netflix's Anna Delvey series, the news surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's suicide (he was murdered), and other true crime updates that are currently in the news. They also play a new game Casey made up called "psychopath or genius". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's our first ever pyramid scheme episode! The NATC fam tackles WTF went down with Advocare, a multilevel marketing company that recently got shut down by the FTC for being a pyramid scheme. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Casey is in Paris living her best life this week, so Danny and Sara are talking about Samuel Little, a man who the FBI just declared the most prolific serial killer in US history with 50 confirmed murders. Sara and Danny talk serial killer traits, then provide a bio on Little and discuss his M.O. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Danny, Sara, and Casey interview CAROLINE F*CKING CALLOWAY. They discuss mental health and the right and wrong ways to talk about it. They obviously also talk alllllll about the article Natalie Beach wrote for The Cut. Caroline reveals what everyone got wrong about her so-called "scam" seminars, what Natalie misrepresents in The Cut, and hints at what's in the works for the future for both her and Natalie. If you want to check out "Bad Batch" by Wondrey, click the link below! wondery.fm/BadBatchNATC   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a literal dream come true, Danny and Sara sit down to interview Alexis Haines, aka Alexis Neiers of the Bling Ring and Pretty Wild fame. She dishes on what ACTUALLY happened during the Bling Ring and what everybody gets wrong, and on her feud with Nancy Jo Sales and if there's ever a chance at reconciliation. Alexis also discusses her own recovery from heroin addiction and talks about what she's doing to help other who are suffering from addiction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The story of Natalia Grace is literally a real-life horror movie—specifically, Orphan, which came out in 2009. Kristine and Michael Barnett thought they adopted a 6-year-old from Ukraine in 2010, but things were not what they seemed. The Barnetts claim that their adopted daughter, Natalia Grace, was actually a disturbed 22-year-old who tried to kill them. Sara, Danny, and Casey give the lowdown on this insane story. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The NATCP gang is finally covering Canada's most killer couple, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Warning: this episode is not for the faint of heart (or stomach). Paul and Karla's crimes were especially heinous, to borrow from Law & Order: SVU. If you thought you had a f*cked up relationship... just wait till you hear about this killer couple. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The NATC crew takes on America's "first female serial killer", Aileen Wuornos—and discusses why that characterization is not really accurate. Aileen's life was a roller coaster, and Danny, Casey, and Sara take you through it, from a horrible upbringing to a marriage to a yacht club president to finally murdering 7 men in Florida. Then they play a new game involving their last meals on earth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We interrupt our regularly scheduled program of true crime to explain what’s going on with Caroline Calloway, the influencer who was accused of running a scam in early 2019. It all started with an essay in The Cut last week by Caroline’s former friend and ghost writer. Sara, Casey, and Danny explain who Caroline Calloway is and why people care about her, plus give the lowdown of the drama that’s happened over the past week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The NATC crew tackles the mysterious Westfield Watcher, the case where a NJ family moved into their dream home... but that dream quickly turned to a nightmare when they started receiving creepy letters. Not everyone believes The Watcher is real, notably, the Westfield residents think it’s all a hoax. Casey, Danny, and Sara attempt to get to the bottom of it, and also tell stories of their worst roommate/apartment horrors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nazis, a secret society, the apocalypse? What do all these things have in common? They are all linked to the Denver International Airport. Sara, Danny, and Casey discuss all the conspiracy theories surrounding the airport, from the suspect shape to the weird-ass art to the mysterious tunnels, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sara, Casey, and Danny are back with another cult. This time they’re breaking down one of the worst mass murders in American history, the Jonestown massacre. They will talk through how it began and how everything went south so quickly for the Peoples Temple. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sara, Danny, and Casey sit down with Rachel DeLoache Williams, former Vanity Fair photo editor and author of My Friend Anna, out now. They discuss what Anna Delvey/Sorokin was really like and what Rachel learned from getting scammed by her so-called “friend”. They also discuss how Rachel feels about Anna’s public perception and what’s next for her (think: HBO special). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Danny, Sara, and Casey finally break down I Love You, Now Die, the new HBO documentary about the death of Conrad Roy III and trial of Michelle Carter. Or as you may know it, the texting suicide case. They discuss what everybody got wrong in the initial press coverage back in 2014, the wildest parts of the documentary (Glee, anybody), and the most recent updates on Michelle's jail time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this crossover episode with the Betches Sup podcast, Sara teams up with Sami Fishbein, co-founder of Betches, and Amanda Duberman, Betches News & Politics Editor. They break down the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, from his first arrest to now, and discuss why they think he ran an underage sex pyramid scheme. This one has everything: sex trafficking, a rich guy whose source of wealth is a complete mystery, high-profile figures like Donald Trump and Prince Andrew, and more crazy sh*t you can't even imagine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Literally nobody asked for it, but Casey, Danny, and Sara cover the conspiracy theory that the moon landing was faked. They go over the "evidence" that it was all filmed in a Hollywood studio, with expert commentary from a history teacher (Sara's brother) on why the U.S. would even go through the trouble to fake going to the moon in the first place Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The NATC Pod crew covers NXIVM, the alleged sex cult/pyramid scheme started by Keith Raniere, that came to light in 2018 when he and Smallville actress Allison Mack were arrested. Casey, Sara, and Danny tell you how NXIVM started and the crazy, gross things the members had to do. Plus, Casey gives great insight as to how people fall victim to cults in the first place, since she was basically in one. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this ripped-from-the-headlines episode, Danny, Casey, and Sara explore the Hollywood Ripper, the man currently on trial for allegedly killing three women and attempting to murder another. You've probably heard that Ashton Kutcher is involved somehow, but this case goes way deeper than that. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices