Staffing & Recruiter Training Podcast

In this episode of The Rainmaking Podcast, host Scott Love speaks with Susan Freeman, a speaker, consultant, and advocate for gender equity in professional services, about how professionals can elevate their client development approach through better conversations, deeper listening, and authentic relationships. Drawing on her background in financial and legal services, Susan emphasizes the difference between marketing (reputation-building) and business development (relationship-building) and highlights why listening—especially what she calls “third-level listening”—is the true driver of trust and influence. Susan explains that successful client conversations are less about pitching and more about uncovering what truly matters to the client—their goals, frustrations, and unspoken concerns. She shares how asking thoughtful, open-ended questions and responding with empathy can position professionals as trusted advisors, not just service providers. The ultimate goal, she argues, isn’t just to close a deal, but to