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Matt Drance of Apple Outsider and Bookhouse talks with Guy and Rene about working at and with Apple, the unsung heroes of software,the difference between marketing and developer-driven management, how to get started, and twiddling the PS4 bits. Show notes Apple Outsider Bookhouse Software iOS Recipes: Tips and Tricks for Awesome iPhone and iPad Apps Khan Academy Stanford iOS courses on iTunes U Guests Matt Drance (@drance) of Apple Outsider and Bookhouse Software Hosts Guy English (@gte) of Kicking Bear Rene Ritchie (@reneritchie) of iMore.com Feedback Yell at us via the Twitter accounts above (or the same names on ADN). Loudly.