Second Captains @ The Irish Times

It's Champions League final week, and before Ken heads for Lisbon we talk about where Atletico Madrid's head space is. Winning the league in Barcelona last week was a miracle, can they do it again a week later against Real Madrid, the other giant of Spanish football? And with the World Cup looming, one English journalist has taken it upon himself to investigate how the hell they keep losing penalty shoot-outs. He's written a how-to manual, called "Twelve Yards: the Art and Psychology of the Perfect Penalty". Ben Lyttleton joins us. And Ken weighs in on the Yaya Toure controversy, which may mark a low-point in footballing discourse. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.